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Thanks for the complement. Really. Due note that I mentioned my client early on, it isn't referenced in the server how to wiki, it isn't referenced in the apparently 'out of date' map extractions on the site either. Yet, I am not bitching or complaining, just looking for a little direction and working to stay away for general forum drama that happens to always fucking come up with someone who has more specific knowledge of a subject than the person asking... then being called an idiot or something even more.. sinisiter.. lol. Hence trying to give you ALL the data vs some real idiots version of " I have a problem, it don't work work, help " with no provided info at all. But, apparently, it is a client issue. Sorry to insult you oh great one. And yes, thanks for clarifying the problem. Also - worth noting, are the first pages results on the oracle's (Google, for you non-idiots) search, using such idiot search terms such as 3.3.5a WOW client download -- one might assume the no-install client as fairly over-fucking-whelming on the results. The ole 80-20 rule apparently doesn't apply here... Thanks bub, keep flexing on the forums, it makes you look good. -- Trev *** Actually, since I have a couple bacardi's in me here at this point.. What would make you look good would be something like this, ready, hang tight, it's brilliant. " Hey Trev, noticed your using a prepackaged no-install client, we don't support that and your bound to have troubles using it. Please note that isn't supported in our Wiki (or other document that I clearly overlooked.. still cant find it in the wiki btw.. /shrug whatever). I'd suggest you use google, or follow this link [url... ] and download the torrent. Build your maps, should be good to go. Welcome aboard. -- God/Genius/Superman" That's something I would respect, as would pretty much anyone else out there. Your welcomed for the lesson. -- Trev